A question to the Celtic Family: If it wasn't Rangers, would we be so interested in seeing "justice done"?

I feel we are simply hiding our disdain for this club, it’s policies and it’s fans (though not all are bad) behind the facade of “legal justice and just deserts”.
Do we want to see or need a “strong” Rangers? No we don’t. Why don’t we? Because if it gives us far greater chance of success and even the possibility of overturning their league record, we want to see them hit as hard as possible yes, but let’s not kid ourselves, it has nothing to do with justice (for most).
A weakened Rangers also gives clubs outwith the Old Firm something to play for, a genuine target and chance of achieving second place, and therefore a place in Europe and the financial rewards that brings, and of course, a greater chance of success in domestic cup competitions.
Would life in the SPL be better for all if Rangers did not exist?
I feel not, do we not all love the rivalry?
Would the SPL be such an attraction to TV bosses outside of Scotland with no “Old Firm”? I think not, and this would have a detrimental financial affect on all clubs in the SPL and Scottish football in general.
I do feel that Rangers as a club need to modernise and take control of the bigotry that is clearly prevalent amongst their support, when there are complaints of Sectarian chanting they always try to use the old cliché “it’s only a minority” well Saturday clearly dispelled that “excuse”.
They also need to distance themselves from the sectarian Orange Order, which they claim they are not associated with, however all of us whom have had the misfortune to witness Orange Walks know they are flanked by crowds wearing Rangers paraphernalia.
In a recent TV interview Ex-Rangers chairman Alastair Johnston even uttered the words “We have a phrase round these parts No Surrender”, which demonstrates that the bigotry is still very much alive in the boardroom at Ibrox.
So, to sum up, are we really motivated by the feeling that justice, from a legal perspective should be seen to be done?
Or, as I suspect, are we more motivated by the examples and possible reasons I have given? After all, the fans had no hand in the financial irregularities.
 
SparkybhoyHH

Comments

  1. Got to disagree that Celtic fans are hiding behind a moral argument to get one up on rangers fans, it’s about fair play and our leauge not turning into a American wrestling type competition were only the money matters.
    Rangers fans cant be blamless for what there board did are doing, they didnt ask the questions and keep asking.

  2. Got to disagree that Celtic fans are hiding behind a moral argument to get one up on rangers fans, it’s about fair play and our leauge not turning into a American wrestling type competition were only the money matters.
    Rangers fans cant be blamless for what there board did are doing, they didnt ask the questions and keep asking.

  3. To answer the question posed, as a Celtic fan no I wouldn’t and here’s why.
    If it was some other club you can be assured that the appropriate authorities would not be coming under a campaign of leniency, they would be allowed to do their job without the interference of politicians and a Rangers friendly media.
    We all know Rangers are the establishment club and there is a desire among the SFA and SPl to treat them differently to ensure their survival in the Premier League rather than upholding the integrity of the game, that is why I have a vested interest in seeing ‘justice done’ because if we as Celtic fans don’t ensure it is done then we can be assured Rangers will be treated differently than say Airdrie or Gretna have been in the past.

  4. To answer the question posed, as a Celtic fan no I wouldn’t and here’s why.
    If it was some other club you can be assured that the appropriate authorities would not be coming under a campaign of leniency, they would be allowed to do their job without the interference of politicians and a Rangers friendly media.
    We all know Rangers are the establishment club and there is a desire among the SFA and SPl to treat them differently to ensure their survival in the Premier League rather than upholding the integrity of the game, that is why I have a vested interest in seeing ‘justice done’ because if we as Celtic fans don’t ensure it is done then we can be assured Rangers will be treated differently than say Airdrie or Gretna have been in the past.

  5. Nonsense that Celtic supporters are somehow hiding behind a veil of looking for justice. The whole ethos of sport is that it is competition based on a level playing field. This has not happened for the last twenty years because one team has been favoured using tax avoidence not paying their debt and generaly not living within their means. The fact that this team is Rangers is irrellevant.
    This is now the time for the governing body to clean up our game and ensure that this scenario does not happen in the future whether there is a reduced rangers or no Rangers at all.

  6. Nonsense that Celtic supporters are somehow hiding behind a veil of looking for justice. The whole ethos of sport is that it is competition based on a level playing field. This has not happened for the last twenty years because one team has been favoured using tax avoidence not paying their debt and generaly not living within their means. The fact that this team is Rangers is irrellevant.
    This is now the time for the governing body to clean up our game and ensure that this scenario does not happen in the future whether there is a reduced rangers or no Rangers at all.

  7. Regardless of what club it is, I don’t think it is fair to wave away blatant disregard for the rules without fair punishment in sport otherwise what is the point of it at all? That is the main reason I want Rangers to go under since their financial mismanagement has put them in that position. It would be to the detriment of sport if a team was allowed to run up all those debts in the name of success and, because of the platform that success got them, be allowed to get away with it.
    I also think that Scottish football is utterly dire and one of the only two challenging clubs disappearing is an excellent opportunity to shake things up, renegotiate TV deals, get a bit of excitement into it. Rather than this “everyone needs Rangers” line we are being fed in the press, why not put some positive spin on it, every club will have a chance to qualify for the Champions League.
    And then there is the fact that their fans are Scotland’s shame, we as a nation would be better off without them as all they seem to do is embarrass us abroad.

  8. Regardless of what club it is, I don’t think it is fair to wave away blatant disregard for the rules without fair punishment in sport otherwise what is the point of it at all? That is the main reason I want Rangers to go under since their financial mismanagement has put them in that position. It would be to the detriment of sport if a team was allowed to run up all those debts in the name of success and, because of the platform that success got them, be allowed to get away with it.
    I also think that Scottish football is utterly dire and one of the only two challenging clubs disappearing is an excellent opportunity to shake things up, renegotiate TV deals, get a bit of excitement into it. Rather than this “everyone needs Rangers” line we are being fed in the press, why not put some positive spin on it, every club will have a chance to qualify for the Champions League.
    And then there is the fact that their fans are Scotland’s shame, we as a nation would be better off without them as all they seem to do is embarrass us abroad.

  9. Please read all I have said, Matt, you say what I said already, which makes me think you didn’t read all I said but just the question.
    I’m not for a second defending Rangers, nor the actions of their board, yes,they cheated the tax man, and in essance all of Scottish football.
    They spent money that was not theirs, whilst all other teams where paying the bills due, so not able to pay for players thay may want, Rangers were ignoring the rules, bending and twisting the rules, bringing in players no Scottish team could honestly afford.

  10. Please read all I have said, Matt, you say what I said already, which makes me think you didn’t read all I said but just the question.
    I’m not for a second defending Rangers, nor the actions of their board, yes,they cheated the tax man, and in essance all of Scottish football.
    They spent money that was not theirs, whilst all other teams where paying the bills due, so not able to pay for players thay may want, Rangers were ignoring the rules, bending and twisting the rules, bringing in players no Scottish team could honestly afford.

  11. Can you imagine what the media and the establishment would be saying if it had been Celtic F.C that had been avoiding paying their taxes; had been investing in EBT’s; winning trophy’s with players that had been illegally signed etc, etc., etc.
    Jim Traynor, Chick Young and other hacks like Keevins would have had a field day! The whole machinery of the establishment would be in full flow to ensure that Celtic were ground into the dust of history. The general tone of the press would be:
    ”It’s sad and tragic that this is the end of Celtic but you can’t play roulette with supporters money and good faith and expect to get away with it”. There would already be special features on the ‘Rise and Fall of Celtic Football Club 1888 – 2012. Then they would launch into a whole series of what the positive’s would be for the rest of Scottish football and how the rest of the SPL could survive without these cheats anyway etc, etc,etc.
    Well stuff H.M.S Titanic that is the Rangers F.C and all who sailed in it all the way doen to the bottom of the Third Division sea.
    R.I.P.

  12. Can you imagine what the media and the establishment would be saying if it had been Celtic F.C that had been avoiding paying their taxes; had been investing in EBT’s; winning trophy’s with players that had been illegally signed etc, etc., etc.
    Jim Traynor, Chick Young and other hacks like Keevins would have had a field day! The whole machinery of the establishment would be in full flow to ensure that Celtic were ground into the dust of history. The general tone of the press would be:
    ”It’s sad and tragic that this is the end of Celtic but you can’t play roulette with supporters money and good faith and expect to get away with it”. There would already be special features on the ‘Rise and Fall of Celtic Football Club 1888 – 2012. Then they would launch into a whole series of what the positive’s would be for the rest of Scottish football and how the rest of the SPL could survive without these cheats anyway etc, etc,etc.
    Well stuff H.M.S Titanic that is the Rangers F.C and all who sailed in it all the way doen to the bottom of the Third Division sea.
    R.I.P.

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