Rangers stripped of titles.

March 6, 2012

If Rangers were to be stripped of titles, firstly, do you think they should be awarded to other teams, and more importantly, would you want them?

In recent years Juventus were stripped of titles (2) that were won by unfair means, so a precedent has been set, however whilst one title was retrospectively awarded to another team, the other was left vacant with no winner.

Personally I’d be happier for the latter stance to be adopted, if we were to be retrospectively awarded it is a stigma we would never get away from, and would be empty bragging rights and indeed cost us the moral highground.

It is clear under current circumstances (and likely the foreseeable future), that it is now in our ability to take the record away from them by fair means and our own ability.

#HH


Comments

  1. Janice Thompson - March 6, 2012 at 10:54 am

    But the means would be fair! If they hadnt cheated, the titles would have gone to the team in 2nd place. I don’t understand why you would say “By fair means and our own ability”

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    • SparkybhoyHH - March 7, 2012 at 11:40 am

      I mean by our own recognised acheivement, not default.

      Even if they hadn’t “cheated” as is accused (as yet unproven) there is still no guarantee that we would have won.

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  2. Janice Thompson - March 6, 2012 at 10:54 am

    But the means would be fair! If they hadnt cheated, the titles would have gone to the team in 2nd place. I don’t understand why you would say “By fair means and our own ability”

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    • SparkybhoyHH - March 7, 2012 at 11:40 am

      I mean by our own recognised acheivement, not default.

      Even if they hadn’t “cheated” as is accused (as yet unproven) there is still no guarantee that we would have won.

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  3. seamos realistas - March 6, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Given the perceived need of Rangers, their fans and most importantly for the other clubs, it is highly unlikely in my view that they will be kicked out of the SPL. As time goes on and the “crimes” mount up a serious penalty will become unavoidable if they are found guilty.

    I would predict forfeiture of all titles where twin contracts can be proved to have existed but clean slate for new owners.

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  4. seamos realistas - March 6, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Given the perceived need of Rangers, their fans and most importantly for the other clubs, it is highly unlikely in my view that they will be kicked out of the SPL. As time goes on and the “crimes” mount up a serious penalty will become unavoidable if they are found guilty.

    I would predict forfeiture of all titles where twin contracts can be proved to have existed but clean slate for new owners.

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  5. CelticBob - March 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Bit early to be talking about stripping of titles when most of it is rumour, allegation & conjecture, and ive a feeling most of it, if not all, will most likely end up being untrue

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  6. CelticBob - March 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Bit early to be talking about stripping of titles when most of it is rumour, allegation & conjecture, and ive a feeling most of it, if not all, will most likely end up being untrue

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  7. Hoppers - March 6, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Interesting question..

    Personally, i think i’ve their stripped of titles, the title should be left unclaimed.. I wouldn’t want any of those titles. I remember the same situation a few years back when these was talk of being retrospectively awarded the UEFA Cup should Porto be stripped of trophies. We didn’t win it, or the titles outright, so there would be no gloryin taking them now.

    Either leave the title winners those years blank, or leave them with Rangers, making it clear they had cheated their way to those titles.

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  8. Hoppers - March 6, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Interesting question..

    Personally, i think i’ve their stripped of titles, the title should be left unclaimed.. I wouldn’t want any of those titles. I remember the same situation a few years back when these was talk of being retrospectively awarded the UEFA Cup should Porto be stripped of trophies. We didn’t win it, or the titles outright, so there would be no gloryin taking them now.

    Either leave the title winners those years blank, or leave them with Rangers, making it clear they had cheated their way to those titles.

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  9. McAllister of Ongar in Exile - March 6, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Whether they are just talking about stripping them of titles or not. I agree we should keep our dignity as regards this one. If past experience is anything to go by it wont happen as a result of SPL or SFA action. It will be UEFA and FIFA who will push for sanctions. If charges are proven!!!
    In their world Rangers are not the big cats they are in Scotalnd.
    Lets not forget guys the Kelly days when Celtic players were paid cash under the table as needs must. That old biscuit tin. Technically we too were breaking th rules…and didnt we win nine in a row?
    Lets be careful for what we wish for.

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  10. McAllister of Ongar in Exile - March 6, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Whether they are just talking about stripping them of titles or not. I agree we should keep our dignity as regards this one. If past experience is anything to go by it wont happen as a result of SPL or SFA action. It will be UEFA and FIFA who will push for sanctions. If charges are proven!!!
    In their world Rangers are not the big cats they are in Scotalnd.
    Lets not forget guys the Kelly days when Celtic players were paid cash under the table as needs must. That old biscuit tin. Technically we too were breaking th rules…and didnt we win nine in a row?
    Lets be careful for what we wish for.

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  11. SparkybhoyHH - March 6, 2012 at 11:53 am

    It’s a hypothetical question.

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    • SparkybhoyHH - July 18, 2012 at 6:44 am

      Seems it’s now getting to the point where it may no longer be hypothetical:

      RT@AllanRennie1

      SPL, SFA, SFL and Rangers Newco legal draft sanctions included stripping club of 5 league titles and 4 Scottish Cups over EBTs #dailyrecord

      https://twitter.com/AllanRennie1

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  12. SparkybhoyHH - March 6, 2012 at 11:53 am

    It’s a hypothetical question.

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    • SparkybhoyHH - July 18, 2012 at 6:44 am

      Seems it’s now getting to the point where it may no longer be hypothetical:

      RT@AllanRennie1

      SPL, SFA, SFL and Rangers Newco legal draft sanctions included stripping club of 5 league titles and 4 Scottish Cups over EBTs #dailyrecord

      https://twitter.com/AllanRennie1

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  13. Colm - March 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If proven they cheated their way to titles they should be stripped of them. When we look back to the last few years when a point or a goal or 2 was the difference Celtic would be entitled to claim them,Remember they have cheated. Celtic and other clubs have done nothing wrong We the fans have also been cheated. I agree that their would no glory in it and also Celtic should dominate for the next few years. I would not blame Celtic for claiming the titles and suing SPL for lost monies for the champions leauge for letting them play knowing full well what was going on at grey skull. Its funny how all their friends in the media and politics are not saying much now that the full extent of their deeds are coming to light.

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  14. Colm - March 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If proven they cheated their way to titles they should be stripped of them. When we look back to the last few years when a point or a goal or 2 was the difference Celtic would be entitled to claim them,Remember they have cheated. Celtic and other clubs have done nothing wrong We the fans have also been cheated. I agree that their would no glory in it and also Celtic should dominate for the next few years. I would not blame Celtic for claiming the titles and suing SPL for lost monies for the champions leauge for letting them play knowing full well what was going on at grey skull. Its funny how all their friends in the media and politics are not saying much now that the full extent of their deeds are coming to light.

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  15. wynnvegas - March 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Strip them of every title that has been won through cheating, partial registrations, ineligibility, financial doping and anything else that they are proved to have done wrong. I couldn’t care less what happened to those titles so long as there is a clear and unequivocal recognition that they did not win them. I’d take them if they were offered as I’m sure most of the other clubs would with regards cups and the like but there would be no joy at doing so.

    What we’ll have, if this all comes to pass as we expect it to, is proof and recognition that the game has been deliberately corrupted by Rangers FC for nearly 15/20/25 years – no wonder the SFA and SPL are running scared and having to be forced into investigations – and, for that, the only viable outcome is their immediate and permanent disbarment from ever playing football again.

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  16. wynnvegas - March 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Strip them of every title that has been won through cheating, partial registrations, ineligibility, financial doping and anything else that they are proved to have done wrong. I couldn’t care less what happened to those titles so long as there is a clear and unequivocal recognition that they did not win them. I’d take them if they were offered as I’m sure most of the other clubs would with regards cups and the like but there would be no joy at doing so.

    What we’ll have, if this all comes to pass as we expect it to, is proof and recognition that the game has been deliberately corrupted by Rangers FC for nearly 15/20/25 years – no wonder the SFA and SPL are running scared and having to be forced into investigations – and, for that, the only viable outcome is their immediate and permanent disbarment from ever playing football again.

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  17. Mick - March 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    No they should be stripped of them and the year left vacant marked with a star beside it . Rankers should be forced to wear the pathetic 5 stars as a warning to all clubs about flaunting the rules and commuting fraud. It gives me a warm glow to think that a fair percentage of the rankers fans have the five stars tattoos on arms necks and chests . They too carry the stigma around for the rest of there life’s .

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  18. Mick - March 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    No they should be stripped of them and the year left vacant marked with a star beside it . Rankers should be forced to wear the pathetic 5 stars as a warning to all clubs about flaunting the rules and commuting fraud. It gives me a warm glow to think that a fair percentage of the rankers fans have the five stars tattoos on arms necks and chests . They too carry the stigma around for the rest of there life’s .

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  19. dombhoy67 - March 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    No need to strip Rankers of stolen titles…they have the mark of shame forever on their name: R.F.C.
    Robbing
    Frauding
    Cheats.

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  20. dombhoy67 - March 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    No need to strip Rankers of stolen titles…they have the mark of shame forever on their name: R.F.C.
    Robbing
    Frauding
    Cheats.

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  21. John Bradshaw - March 7, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    No Doubt about it. Rangers acheived that 9 in a row and along with other titles only because they cheated the whole of Scotland by there fraud to all Scottish Leagues.

    They have been found out. Rangers shame on you! You have brought disgrace to our game now go and never come back. Scottish football will now rise without you. You done all this to yourself and as for Ally McCoist knew this was cheating I don’t see him smirking now.

    Scotland Does NOT CHEAT

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  22. John Bradshaw - March 7, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    No Doubt about it. Rangers acheived that 9 in a row and along with other titles only because they cheated the whole of Scotland by there fraud to all Scottish Leagues.

    They have been found out. Rangers shame on you! You have brought disgrace to our game now go and never come back. Scottish football will now rise without you. You done all this to yourself and as for Ally McCoist knew this was cheating I don’t see him smirking now.

    Scotland Does NOT CHEAT

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  23. emmetmcl1888 - April 27, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    I don’t want anything to do with these titles. We didn’t win them and nothing will change that. They should be declared void and struck from the records.

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    • James - April 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm

      Would be interesting to hear what fans of Motherwell, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts etc think about the cups and championships they were cheated out of. And to quote the big man “That’s the bottom line”.

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  24. emmetmcl1888 - April 27, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    I don’t want anything to do with these titles. We didn’t win them and nothing will change that. They should be declared void and struck from the records.

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    • James - April 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm

      Would be interesting to hear what fans of Motherwell, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts etc think about the cups and championships they were cheated out of. And to quote the big man “That’s the bottom line”.

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  25. scottsman78 - April 28, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    I would want the titles to be awarded to us. We didn’t cheat therefore we have nothing to be ashamed of and because we didn’t we should be rewarded. We don’t get shame from their actions. I paid for tickets to these games and until we are rewarded with the title for those years I personally will always feel cheated. I’m sure a few of the players in those seasons would feel cheated too.

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  26. scottsman78 - April 28, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    I would want the titles to be awarded to us. We didn’t cheat therefore we have nothing to be ashamed of and because we didn’t we should be rewarded. We don’t get shame from their actions. I paid for tickets to these games and until we are rewarded with the title for those years I personally will always feel cheated. I’m sure a few of the players in those seasons would feel cheated too.

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  27. whm - July 18, 2012 at 3:56 am

    Just a thought,if they did award them to celtic,as we were runners up those years in question,that would add up to 12 titles in a row!Still,Taking that and the lost revenue into account,fk me thats alot of cheating.

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  28. whm - July 18, 2012 at 3:56 am

    Just a thought,if they did award them to celtic,as we were runners up those years in question,that would add up to 12 titles in a row!Still,Taking that and the lost revenue into account,fk me thats alot of cheating.

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  29. alan31 - July 20, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    i was discussing rangers and there cheating recently,have been going over to watch celtic since 2000 and have come home delighted after we won titles and cups and also the terrible feelings when you come home and have lost leagues, cup finals etc..you cant make up for the disappointment now if we were awarded the titles.

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    • James - July 20, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      It’s a fair point Alan. I will never erase the hurt felt at the time but at least justice will be seen to be done. I personally won’t be celebrating any titles or cups awarded to us because it will just seem like a hollow gesture. I will be more happy about that club being striped of honours that were illegitimately won.
      I won’t think that is a victory for Celtic or any other club who gain the titles/cups. To me it will be a victory for integrity and sport.

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  30. alan31 - July 20, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    i was discussing rangers and there cheating recently,have been going over to watch celtic since 2000 and have come home delighted after we won titles and cups and also the terrible feelings when you come home and have lost leagues, cup finals etc..you cant make up for the disappointment now if we were awarded the titles.

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    • James - July 20, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      It’s a fair point Alan. I will never erase the hurt felt at the time but at least justice will be seen to be done. I personally won’t be celebrating any titles or cups awarded to us because it will just seem like a hollow gesture. I will be more happy about that club being striped of honours that were illegitimately won.
      I won’t think that is a victory for Celtic or any other club who gain the titles/cups. To me it will be a victory for integrity and sport.

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  31. Ejay - July 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Looking at the precedent of Marseilles the French title for 92/93 was not given to the runner up, PSG, but has been left empty for that year.

    It may be setting a dangerous precedent however to look back at such punishments (with Marseilles it was the year after the transgression that punishment was meted out). Otherwise there is a risk of starting off a series of such ‘demands’ that prior transgressions be reviewed and the history books re-written.

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  32. Ejay - July 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Looking at the precedent of Marseilles the French title for 92/93 was not given to the runner up, PSG, but has been left empty for that year.

    It may be setting a dangerous precedent however to look back at such punishments (with Marseilles it was the year after the transgression that punishment was meted out). Otherwise there is a risk of starting off a series of such ‘demands’ that prior transgressions be reviewed and the history books re-written.

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