Say your alphabet wee lassie

All this “we’re more dignified and pure than them” charade, really gets my goat, does it make you feel better about yourself? It comes across as patronising to me!
Is it truly how you are? A God fearing Christian who “turns the other cheek”?. Would you really never cause offence to another? Do you really see all Rangers fans as equally dignified and pure? People you regularly castigate.
Yes we (Celtic fans and Catholics alike) do tend to be less abhorrent, offensive and inciting.
Yes we do seem to be attacked a lot more by those of the blue persuasion and far too many are actually very ignorant of what it is they say, ask many Rangers fans what a Fenian is, they will say a Celtic fan, even when pushed, that is the only definition they know.
Similarly, ask them why they use 1690 in user names, all they can tell you, is that it means they are a Rangers fan.
Similarly, I hear Celtic fans listening to Rebel songs, singing them and enjoying them (nothing wrong with that is there?), and I’ve asked, do you know what that song is about? And they have not been able to tell me, so I’ve asked, “so why do you sing them”? The reply? Because I’m a Celtic fan. And they don’t understand why I get angry.
(I should point out I’m Irish (Republic) and have had an interest in my heritage since my teens)
Now, to call someone a Proddy Bastard is just as offensive and wrong as it is for anyone to call me (or anyone) a Catholic Bastard.
However, is it truly offensive to call someone an Orange Bastard, if indeed they are a lodge member or support the lodge? I don’t believe, where appropriate, it is.
It’s not an attack on a religious denomination, but an offensive “order” within a denomination.
How many people do you see with Rangers jerseys and scarves, even flags flanking Orange walks? I bet you wouldn’t manage to count them all.
Now the whole point of an Orange Walk is to cause as much offence to Catholics as possible, to incite trouble and cause upset. Do they choose locations and routes at random? Of course they don’t.
Now you have to wonder, what has this to do with football? Well outside of Glasgow, nothing, it’s a perversion.
It’s used as a very ignorant identifier, a way to show your allegiance, now of course, Rangers FC fuelled this for decades with their signing policies.
It’s as bad as “say your alphabet we lassie”.
Are their no Catholic Rangers fans? Are there no Protestant Celtic fans? I assure you, there are.
Maybe you don’t understand the point of this, maybe I don’t even know now, but hopefully it’s made one.
But what I will say is this, prior to moving to Scotland nearly 10 years ago, I had never once in my life experienced sectarianism, of course that is not the case now.

Comments

  1. im sorry to hear that…i thought as you get older we all get wiser but sadly this isnt the case HH

  2. im sorry to hear that…i thought as you get older we all get wiser but sadly this isnt the case HH

  3. This is a very interesting topic for me, especially as I have been a Celtic fan for 44 years..(and counting) but is neither of the Catholic NOR Protestant persuasion. In fact, as for myself, religion comes NOWHERE in my own personal life (My wife’s yes, but NOT mine..I’ll explain more shortly).
    Anyway, having been born in Glasgow’s South side (Soo-side to us “Weegies”, I went to both primary and secondary NON-denominational schools, but most of my teenage friends were Catholics, (I DID say most, but not all, a few were Protestants). Did any of them view me any different, because I wasn’t a member of one of their religion(s)?
    I’m bluddy sure they did NOT!..We were all friends from Sunday to Friday, but come Saturday my best friend (who just happened to be a Catholic) made our way into town, to get the bus to Parkhead..
    Good times? No, GREAT times!
    Thank you for letting me reminisce, but my point to the original poster is, you ask “Are their no Catholic Rangers fans? Are there no Protestant Celtic fans?” Then you go onto say “I assure you, there are”.
    Well in 56 years of being on this earth (next week), and living all my life in both Scotland AND England, mixing with ALL faiths (and like myself, none) partly through my wife (who is a College Lecturer in R.E, who just happens to be of the Protestant faith (but more classes herself as simply “A Christian”), I can honestly say I have, never EVER come across a person who classes them self as a Catholic, AND supports Glasgow Rangers Fc.
    Can you please enlighten us more.
    Yours in Celtic..
    Markie Dee.

  4. This is a very interesting topic for me, especially as I have been a Celtic fan for 44 years..(and counting) but is neither of the Catholic NOR Protestant persuasion. In fact, as for myself, religion comes NOWHERE in my own personal life (My wife’s yes, but NOT mine..I’ll explain more shortly).
    Anyway, having been born in Glasgow’s South side (Soo-side to us “Weegies”, I went to both primary and secondary NON-denominational schools, but most of my teenage friends were Catholics, (I DID say most, but not all, a few were Protestants). Did any of them view me any different, because I wasn’t a member of one of their religion(s)?
    I’m bluddy sure they did NOT!..We were all friends from Sunday to Friday, but come Saturday my best friend (who just happened to be a Catholic) made our way into town, to get the bus to Parkhead..
    Good times? No, GREAT times!
    Thank you for letting me reminisce, but my point to the original poster is, you ask “Are their no Catholic Rangers fans? Are there no Protestant Celtic fans?” Then you go onto say “I assure you, there are”.
    Well in 56 years of being on this earth (next week), and living all my life in both Scotland AND England, mixing with ALL faiths (and like myself, none) partly through my wife (who is a College Lecturer in R.E, who just happens to be of the Protestant faith (but more classes herself as simply “A Christian”), I can honestly say I have, never EVER come across a person who classes them self as a Catholic, AND supports Glasgow Rangers Fc.
    Can you please enlighten us more.
    Yours in Celtic..
    Markie Dee.

  5. Paragraph 2, Sorry, I meant to say “but come Saturday my best friend, AND I (who just happened to be a Catholic) made our way into town, to get the bus to Parkhead..”
    HH

  6. Paragraph 2, Sorry, I meant to say “but come Saturday my best friend, AND I (who just happened to be a Catholic) made our way into town, to get the bus to Parkhead..”
    HH

  7. At the risk of sounding totally out of it – What does “Say your alphabet wee lassie” mean? A way of identifying by pronunciation?

    1. Yep, it was used in Northern Ireland by Protestants to identify Catholic kids, apparently Catholics say Haitch and Protestants say Aitch.

  8. At the risk of sounding totally out of it – What does “Say your alphabet wee lassie” mean? A way of identifying by pronunciation?

    1. Yep, it was used in Northern Ireland by Protestants to identify Catholic kids, apparently Catholics say Haitch and Protestants say Aitch.

  9. Hya HH thanks for the thread,
    Are there Catholics that support Rangers and vice versa?
    Well I like you can say yes there is, two of my closest friends (I call them the odd couple) being housebound I truly look forward to their visits. My Prodestant friend is an Elder in the church of Scotland he and his family are died in the wool Celtic fans, home and away when they can make it, My Catholic friend is a wonderful guy, but similarly a die hard Rangers man…Gotta say the irony makes for great craic…
    For myself, regarding being Christian, I would challenge all believers regardless of the Church they attend, where is the love? Christ was all about Love. NO MATTER what church you go to, as Christians, that is those whom profess to believe and have faith in practice I have seen so little love being shown.. Christ extold us to love our neighbours, to love our enemys.
    Does anyone really think that only Catholics go to Heaven or vice versa Protestants. If so then they are sadly both deluded and ignorant to what the Bible teaches, and the Pope or the Moderator of the COS
    To assert HH that Celtic fans and or Catholics tend to be less abhorrant, as a statement I would disagree with it, there are ignorant folk on both sides, to claim “a but we are better ” cannot be proved, all it is is an opinion.
    And to say it is acceptable to call another an orange bastard, …*sigh* … Where is the love man? Is what Christ instructed us to do meaningless to you ?
    I am all for leading byexample, ie, turning the other cheek, when we get to Heaven I would rather face my Heavenly Father knowing that I did my best, not that I ignored the teachings of His Son.
    Being Christian no matter the name on the door of your church, is about following Him, not ignoring His teachings, Christ cares for those that Love Him, to think he only talks to Catholics is absurd, and contrary to what the Bible teaches.
    FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON…Johns Gospel chpt 3
    for all HH not just Proddys or Catholics…. Let’s show His Love to our enemys…

    1. You’ve completely missed (or ignored) the point about “orangemen” and their supportrs, as the sole purpose of their actions is to offend, I feel under those cicumstances, and in the right context, they most certainly are.

  10. Hya HH thanks for the thread,
    Are there Catholics that support Rangers and vice versa?
    Well I like you can say yes there is, two of my closest friends (I call them the odd couple) being housebound I truly look forward to their visits. My Prodestant friend is an Elder in the church of Scotland he and his family are died in the wool Celtic fans, home and away when they can make it, My Catholic friend is a wonderful guy, but similarly a die hard Rangers man…Gotta say the irony makes for great craic…
    For myself, regarding being Christian, I would challenge all believers regardless of the Church they attend, where is the love? Christ was all about Love. NO MATTER what church you go to, as Christians, that is those whom profess to believe and have faith in practice I have seen so little love being shown.. Christ extold us to love our neighbours, to love our enemys.
    Does anyone really think that only Catholics go to Heaven or vice versa Protestants. If so then they are sadly both deluded and ignorant to what the Bible teaches, and the Pope or the Moderator of the COS
    To assert HH that Celtic fans and or Catholics tend to be less abhorrant, as a statement I would disagree with it, there are ignorant folk on both sides, to claim “a but we are better ” cannot be proved, all it is is an opinion.
    And to say it is acceptable to call another an orange bastard, …*sigh* … Where is the love man? Is what Christ instructed us to do meaningless to you ?
    I am all for leading byexample, ie, turning the other cheek, when we get to Heaven I would rather face my Heavenly Father knowing that I did my best, not that I ignored the teachings of His Son.
    Being Christian no matter the name on the door of your church, is about following Him, not ignoring His teachings, Christ cares for those that Love Him, to think he only talks to Catholics is absurd, and contrary to what the Bible teaches.
    FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON…Johns Gospel chpt 3
    for all HH not just Proddys or Catholics…. Let’s show His Love to our enemys…

    1. You’ve completely missed (or ignored) the point about “orangemen” and their supportrs, as the sole purpose of their actions is to offend, I feel under those cicumstances, and in the right context, they most certainly are.

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