RFC Sanctions Appeal

Firstly before I go onto my main point I would like to thank Jas for providing myself the opportunity to express my opinions on TCN.
Knowing Jas via twitter and having visited TCN on many occasions I think the platform the TCN provides the online Celtic community is a worthy project and one which should be welcomed by all.
As we know, tomorrow (Wed 16th May 2012) opens the Rangers’ appeal against sanctions imposed by the SFA. No-one knows how long this appeals process will take but we do know that after pressure from several RFC employees and also members of the laptop loyal the names of the 3 panel members have been publicly released after police consultation (A process which would ensure panel members remained anonymous)
So what can we expect?
I like many others are sceptical about the whole appeals process (I’m paranoid remember) I feel that with the pressures applied after the initial hearing, the naming of the panel members, I feel it should be expected that the original sanctions will be reduced in some way.
Please also consider that normally within football governance, after appeal, it’s quite common for original sanctions to be reduced and Rangers FC have benefited from such a process in they’re dealings with UEFA in past years.
With these points, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the following:
Fines handed down to Rangers FC will either be reduced or suspended during a space of time.
The 12 month transfer embargo will either be again reduced or will include additions that any remaining embargo will be lifted once all football debts are cleared.
It’s with this transfer embargo that most concern & grievance has been raised by RFC and this is something I personally cannot quite understand.
The reason for my difficulty in understanding is that taking away possible free transfers, this embargo wouldn’t be for 12 month’s but for the summer transfer window (which may not be relevant should RFC remain in administration) and the 1 month winter transfer window in January.
So hypothetically speaking, should RFC somehow come out of administration, they will in effect only suffer a 4 month embargo taking the 3 summer window months & 1 winter window month. Hardly “draconian” as has been mentioned by the media.
With the press release this morning that should there be no transfer embargo, that the “preferred bidders” of Charles GREEN & consortium would plough millions into RFC, what will this mean then for any possible CVA being agreed by HMRC, Ticketus & other creditors?
That #CelticFamily is something we should consider after this current process has been finalised.
What are your feelings on this process?
From the original sanctions to the release of the panel members identity to then the further release of the SFA notes of the reasons behind the decisions?
What are your feelings and what do you believe will happen once this appeals process has been completed?

Comments

  1. I’m plenty paranoid as well so can see them getting off with a suspended transfer embargo or something similar.
    My trouble with the whole thing is probably manifold but two things have annoyed me from the off with this.
    1. The transfer embargo is the only meaningful punishment handed down. The rangers supporting media and many rangers supporters have been fairly consistent in the “we definitely deserve to be punished” camp but equally consistent in having “no problem with the fine.” If I was bankrupt, I wouldn’t be all that bothered if someone handed me down a fine that I couldn’t pay either – join the queue of folk who aren’t getting paid SFA! All they want therefore is meaningless punishments handed down. They’ll tell you that they’ll quite happily take a bigger fine (impossible I know as the fines were the maximum) so long as the transfer embargo doesn’t stick.
    2. The “draconian” nature of these punishments was ridiculed by all who adorn the blue tinted specs as soon as it was made public. Difficult to argue that point when the full judgements had yet to be published but the administrators, among others, were incredibly quick to decry the sanctions. No-one bothered to ask them what exactly they were appealing when they immediately stated their intention to appeal. That to me looks quite vexatious in nature and damages the credibility of the appeal no end. The publication of the findings and the damning language used in the report make an appeal, particularly a kneejerk appeal, unlikely to succeed but we’ve seen the pressure applied to all quarters so I’m not anticipating everything to be upheld.
    What should happen? Increase the punishments where possible and make rangers liable for the costs of the appeal process. Ideally, dismiss them from the game they have so brazenly and illegally brought into disrepute before the SPL get the chance to dole out a termination notice on the back off the double contract illegality.
    ah, what the hell – while I’m on it…
    I’m properly struggling with this CVA chat. The idea that rangers can look to agree anything less than 100% payment to all creditors whilst simultaneously looking to spend a single penny on pre-season trips, transfers, club improvements etc and bringing in season ticket money for season 2012-13 which will be withheld from creditors (incredibly including ticketus). Surely, if there is any sense in the world, they’ll be told where to go in no uncertain terms. If I was a major creditor, I’d force liquidation, sell every asset I could identify and take what I got at the back end, including mounting a legal challenge to any phoenix company.
    I’m very nearly on the verge of walking away from Scottish football and will certainly do so if rangers get away with what they seem to be planning. I’ll be demanding legal challenges and a massive PR campaign involving UEFA among others. I’ve had a season ticket for 15 years and it would seem that the majority of that time has seen me watching a corrupt product.
    Lastly, any notion of Green and his lot coming in to be saviours is probably ludicrous. When the SFA, SPL and enough chairmen to pass a vote have confirmed that they will welcome rangers back into the SPL with open arms; in effect confirming that they are happy to bend the rules to suit rangers, they can have no complaint whatsoever when liars, thieves and crooks waltz into an environment where cheating is, to all intents and purposes confirmed as acceptable.

    1. Mate that should be a blog in its won right, cracking read & one I share almost every view.
      No one supporter of Scottish football could question any other if they decided to walk away from Scottish football IF the worse case scenario came about.

  2. I’m plenty paranoid as well so can see them getting off with a suspended transfer embargo or something similar.
    My trouble with the whole thing is probably manifold but two things have annoyed me from the off with this.
    1. The transfer embargo is the only meaningful punishment handed down. The rangers supporting media and many rangers supporters have been fairly consistent in the “we definitely deserve to be punished” camp but equally consistent in having “no problem with the fine.” If I was bankrupt, I wouldn’t be all that bothered if someone handed me down a fine that I couldn’t pay either – join the queue of folk who aren’t getting paid SFA! All they want therefore is meaningless punishments handed down. They’ll tell you that they’ll quite happily take a bigger fine (impossible I know as the fines were the maximum) so long as the transfer embargo doesn’t stick.
    2. The “draconian” nature of these punishments was ridiculed by all who adorn the blue tinted specs as soon as it was made public. Difficult to argue that point when the full judgements had yet to be published but the administrators, among others, were incredibly quick to decry the sanctions. No-one bothered to ask them what exactly they were appealing when they immediately stated their intention to appeal. That to me looks quite vexatious in nature and damages the credibility of the appeal no end. The publication of the findings and the damning language used in the report make an appeal, particularly a kneejerk appeal, unlikely to succeed but we’ve seen the pressure applied to all quarters so I’m not anticipating everything to be upheld.
    What should happen? Increase the punishments where possible and make rangers liable for the costs of the appeal process. Ideally, dismiss them from the game they have so brazenly and illegally brought into disrepute before the SPL get the chance to dole out a termination notice on the back off the double contract illegality.
    ah, what the hell – while I’m on it…
    I’m properly struggling with this CVA chat. The idea that rangers can look to agree anything less than 100% payment to all creditors whilst simultaneously looking to spend a single penny on pre-season trips, transfers, club improvements etc and bringing in season ticket money for season 2012-13 which will be withheld from creditors (incredibly including ticketus). Surely, if there is any sense in the world, they’ll be told where to go in no uncertain terms. If I was a major creditor, I’d force liquidation, sell every asset I could identify and take what I got at the back end, including mounting a legal challenge to any phoenix company.
    I’m very nearly on the verge of walking away from Scottish football and will certainly do so if rangers get away with what they seem to be planning. I’ll be demanding legal challenges and a massive PR campaign involving UEFA among others. I’ve had a season ticket for 15 years and it would seem that the majority of that time has seen me watching a corrupt product.
    Lastly, any notion of Green and his lot coming in to be saviours is probably ludicrous. When the SFA, SPL and enough chairmen to pass a vote have confirmed that they will welcome rangers back into the SPL with open arms; in effect confirming that they are happy to bend the rules to suit rangers, they can have no complaint whatsoever when liars, thieves and crooks waltz into an environment where cheating is, to all intents and purposes confirmed as acceptable.

    1. Mate that should be a blog in its won right, cracking read & one I share almost every view.
      No one supporter of Scottish football could question any other if they decided to walk away from Scottish football IF the worse case scenario came about.

  3. Basically Rangers do not want any punishment that will upset their plans to CVA/Liquidate and leave behind the debts to HMRC,Ticketus,Hearts,DundeeUtd,Celtic,Rapid Vienna,Palermo ,St Etienne…….the paper shop,flower shop, in fact they want to stiff everyone , keep all their assets intact and move on is if this has never happened! and anyone who asks questions must be anti-rangers,so lets forget about dignity fc,and sporting integrity! lets all shut to F**k up and let the establishment save the cheats/liers/rogues and manipulators…

    1. Yep and for me this all stems still from Murky Murray.
      He’s never had the balls to take this route himself, brought in Whyte who’s done as he’s done.
      With this they’ll go as far down this route as it’ll take them until liquidation, reform and with the threat of extinction with the other clubs get a way back into the SPL.
      Back in the SPL, with the same team as such, same strip and stadium but with debt massively reduced IF not wiped.
      Everyone will see it as it is but will allow it to happen.
      Good response cheers.

  4. Basically Rangers do not want any punishment that will upset their plans to CVA/Liquidate and leave behind the debts to HMRC,Ticketus,Hearts,DundeeUtd,Celtic,Rapid Vienna,Palermo ,St Etienne…….the paper shop,flower shop, in fact they want to stiff everyone , keep all their assets intact and move on is if this has never happened! and anyone who asks questions must be anti-rangers,so lets forget about dignity fc,and sporting integrity! lets all shut to F**k up and let the establishment save the cheats/liers/rogues and manipulators…

    1. Yep and for me this all stems still from Murky Murray.
      He’s never had the balls to take this route himself, brought in Whyte who’s done as he’s done.
      With this they’ll go as far down this route as it’ll take them until liquidation, reform and with the threat of extinction with the other clubs get a way back into the SPL.
      Back in the SPL, with the same team as such, same strip and stadium but with debt massively reduced IF not wiped.
      Everyone will see it as it is but will allow it to happen.
      Good response cheers.

  5. There’s a wee saying we have here, “You can’t take knickers off a bare arse”….Financial implications mean nothing to an already cash strapped club.As for transfer embargos ( already in place,from day of sanction) These will have passed by the time RFC* are in a position to afford anyone decent anyway.And as for Craig Whyte,if you were him would you set foot in Ibrox again anyway? So all non punishments in my book!! So yet again,aggrieved for their lot ! So much so,that Ally took it upon himself to DEMAND the panels names….This would all be farcical stuff…If it wasn’t so sinister and incendiary from their ranks…..I will wait a few years to read the book,unless of course I write it ;)) HH

  6. There’s a wee saying we have here, “You can’t take knickers off a bare arse”….Financial implications mean nothing to an already cash strapped club.As for transfer embargos ( already in place,from day of sanction) These will have passed by the time RFC* are in a position to afford anyone decent anyway.And as for Craig Whyte,if you were him would you set foot in Ibrox again anyway? So all non punishments in my book!! So yet again,aggrieved for their lot ! So much so,that Ally took it upon himself to DEMAND the panels names….This would all be farcical stuff…If it wasn’t so sinister and incendiary from their ranks…..I will wait a few years to read the book,unless of course I write it ;)) HH

  7. The original punishments did not go nearly far enough. The only meaningful treatment which should be delivered to the most corrupt football club in the country is removal from the league.

  8. The original punishments did not go nearly far enough. The only meaningful treatment which should be delivered to the most corrupt football club in the country is removal from the league.

  9. Scottish football is at a crossroads. They have an opportunity to set down a marker here. Will they do it? or will they show themselves up for what they are and probably always will be bias Scottish Mafia cheats? Thousand’s of FOOTBALL supporters WILL DO WALKING AWAY if the Toxic Bears are allowed to get away with it.

  10. Scottish football is at a crossroads. They have an opportunity to set down a marker here. Will they do it? or will they show themselves up for what they are and probably always will be bias Scottish Mafia cheats? Thousand’s of FOOTBALL supporters WILL DO WALKING AWAY if the Toxic Bears are allowed to get away with it.

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