Rfc, sevco and the ‘dignity’ myth

Recently on the wonderful ‘the Celtic network’ there was a post by ‘blogger’ trying to explain what it meant to him to be a Celtic fan and how much he enjoyed it, at the end of the blog he said we have a lot more ‘DIGNITY’ than certain other clubs and supporters in this city we call home. It was clearly a dig at sevco or The Rangers F.C as they and their fans love to portray this myth that they are the most dignified people and club on the planet.
That got me thinking….where did this myth that the now zombified club that was RFC now to be known as sevco or ‘The Rangers F.C’ (TRFC) it’s employees and supporters carry themselves with dignity and honour and behave impeccably come from??
Now I’m only just the right side of 30 so I can only think back so far but it seems to me that this is a new thing, maybe some older fans of either club will be able to correct me on that.
I struggle to think of anything dignified about the behaviour of that club in any of it’s guises in my memory. We know all about the previous incarnation of sevco’s problems with being somewhat unable to sign a player of the catholic persuasion and how undignified that was, surely times have changed and TRFC 2012 and its fans have no problems with Catholics do they?
Then we had their former owner a knight of the realm no less, surely it was he who brought this dignity to govan?However as I recall it this mans ego led him to issue statements like the now infamous ‘for every fiver…’ Quote, that doesn’t seem very dignified does it?
He also is the main reason that Scottish football went from being quite a competitive league to the brink of collapse with his wreckless spending spree chasing an unachievable dream of first of all beating Celtic’s 9iar and then chasing our European cup win which ultimately led to the demise of his beloved club and subsequent sale for a pound to the Motherwell billionaire with a less than dignified business history before they not only hit rock bottom but slammed into rock bottom by suffering liquidation leaving behind a potential tax bill in excess of £100 million from the public purse, and having to be scrounged off the scrappy. That’s not the actions of a dignified man is it?
I remember a very dignified interview featuring the man with no surname going mental at a reporter for having the audacity to ask why his multi million pound team weren’t able to qualify in Europes premier competition.
I also remember that same man practically strangling his counterpart Mixu Pattelainen during an SPL encounter. Again not very dignified.
We also know all about the dignified behaviour of the sleeket whisperer who now holds the hot seat at the debt dome during the ‘shame game’ again not very dignified. Also his demanding to know the names of the panel who dared to punish TRFC, when he knew their names all along, leading to the men in question being threatened by supporters of this dignified ‘institution’.
Speaking of which, maybe it was the supporters of TRFC who brought this aura of dignity to the club, lets see shall we…why would a club who won a European cup winners cup in 1972 not be allowed to enter the tournament the following year to defend its title? Is it because the supporters behaved with dignity and class or because they rioted on the stands and onto the pitch?
Fast forward to Manchester 2008 and again what should have been an enjoyable occasion as a reported 200,000 fans made the short trip down south for another euro final, again what we witnessed was the very dignified riotin and looting of shops( yes looting the kind of thing you would expect in a war zone) and an horrific assault on one policeman in particular that turns the stomach to watch it. Not very dignified behaviour again, mind you it was only a minority of fans, remind me again how many is a minority of 200,000?
I could go on about Pamplona, Villarreal  etc but we all know that it was the foreign police who were behaving in an undignified manner on those occasions.
Indeed our own manager has been the victim of assaults and much more sinister actions from more extreme elements of this dignified support, receiving ‘viable explosive devices’ in the post as well as bullets along with Niall McGinn and Paddy McCourt as well as the late Paul Mcbride QC and MSP Trish Godman who had the audacity to were a Celtic top on her last day of work as a charity bet!
There are countless other occasions I could list that show this ‘institution’ as being far from being dignified but I think you get the point and to be honest I don’t think I need to but I will leave you with this, a point that I think they should be able to understand as its so simple it’s beautiful…..being dignified is more than wearing a blazer and brogues.
WeeLubo

16 thoughts on “Rfc, sevco and the ‘dignity’ myth

  1. I remember going to a Celtic Rangers match at Ibrox in the 70s. The racial abuse directed at Paul Wilson hardly showed the Rangers supporters carrying themselves with dignity – it wasn’t just a few – it was the whole Rangers end in unison.

    1. Tom

      They are the only support with 90% minority. Young Paul put up with a lot of abuse then. No racial protection in place in them days. Awful stuff.

      H H

  2. I remember going to a Celtic Rangers match at Ibrox in the 70s. The racial abuse directed at Paul Wilson hardly showed the Rangers supporters carrying themselves with dignity – it wasn’t just a few – it was the whole Rangers end in unison.

    1. Tom

      They are the only support with 90% minority. Young Paul put up with a lot of abuse then. No racial protection in place in them days. Awful stuff.

      H H

  3. WL, young man, I may add. Here is the view of an old f*rt :>)

    If I may begin with a necessary qualification,I would like to declare from the outset that I have been a media anorexic for decades, so my opinion may be extremely flawed on this matter. But to try to substantiate your already solid arguments with the comments of, shall we say for the sake of politeness at least, an elder statesman, it appears to me that the term “dignity” entered the RFC dictionary around the time of the constant exposure of their undignified behaviour and the numerous investigations into their financial ‘downfall’. I have the impression that the ploy used was to take the very accusation and make it into a positive description by constantly referring to oneself using the opposite term. So, the more the internet bampots, the only effective journalists on their case, addressed the lack of dignity in so many areas of their conduct, so they trumpeted the dignity card as a counter offensive, especially in the face of such unwarranted bias and questionable truths. Like any statement, if it is said and reported in the media often and for long enough it sticks no matter how false it maybe. Much of the public retorts, for example claiming that the blame actually lay with Neil Lennon himself for all his troubles, were so regularly wheeled out that many neutral observers started to believe that he was more perpetrator than victim. Hitler, in spite of the overwhelming, physical evidence of destruction all around Berlin and the very heart of Germany, continued, especially through the oratory of Joseph Goebbels, to preach to and convince most of the German population that victory was still in sight and that they should continue the fight for Der glorious Reich and the survival of Der Vaterland. Repetition is almost hypnotic in its effect – just ask anyone who did maths tables. It convinced me that two times two equalled four, at least till Chic Green came along. To sum up, I personally do not recall the term “dignity” ever being applied to or directed toward any element of RFC or TRFC until they came under fire from the bampots. I am inclined, therefore, to very much endorse your assertions, WL. and I most certainly approve of your witness.

    To accept that the term “dignity” is used by RFC or TRFC to describe its conduct by no means proves nor even implies that the term is appropriately or even rightly utilised by those organisations. Rather, the reality lies very much in the many examples of traditional behaviour quoted by W.L. than in the claims by supporters. The fact that statements were repeatedly made in the examples quoted of Lennon and Hitler, does not in itself substantiate the facts. In truth, quite often, the more a particular statement is emphasised, the more likely it is to be questionable. Anyone who follows politics and compares reality with the continual blasé statements of politicians will be well versed in this truth. Dignity may be on the tongue of RFC and TRFC supporters but it is far from being displayed in their behaviour. Just read their blogs.

    As I ponder what I am writing, another expression comes flashing into my brain that has been similarly adopted by TRFC masses from owners, management, supporters to the moronic sheep down. I say adopted but the truth is it has been abducted. The word I have in mind is “family”. Now, as I indicated way, way back at the beginning of this rant, I have little else left in my mouth but gums, an apology of hair on my head which is more brilliantly white than anything Crown or Deluxe have ever manufactured and I have such a flimsy memory that it could have disappeared without me noticing. But, I have to say that, in spite of having waved Moses goodbye over the Red Sea, I simply, for the life of me, can not remember any club other than Glasgow Celtic F.C. ever having used the term “family”, at least not until this year when, I suspect to gloss over and soften their image, it has been the rallying call of TRFC in fleeting moments of sanity when they have temporarily forgotten to be their normal vindictive and outlandish selves. I am flabbergasted every time I hear the word used by them. If they are a family, then they are the most dysfunctional on the planet. There has been more in-fighting before, after and during their corruption debacle than there has been in-breeding among royalty. If they were an army, the bulk of their casualties would be the result of supposedly “friendly fire”.

    So, to conclude, WL, I think your article sums up quite impeccably the “dignity” of that particular “family”. If football was an estate there would be a public outcry demanding
    the removal of the nasty neighbours. Unfortunately, they still reside nearby and continue to “infect” the whole neighbourhood with their duplicity, vitriol and hatred. Sadly, when the sewers are exposed, it can take a long time for the stench to disappear and it is difficult to prevent at least some of it clinging to oneself. A final thought. Is it not sad that the authorities look like they intend once again to do all in their power to keep such distasteful neighbours and disgusting smells in situ.

    H H

    1. Totally agree about the hi-jacking of the term family to describe their club, Celtic started using that around 4 years ago, as for the good ship dignity, where did it come from? They parade soldiers at ibrox like trophys and whilst they cheated the public purse and those same soldiers out of more than a few shillings that coup have provided much needed medical and armour supplies. No dignity there either.

  4. WL, young man, I may add. Here is the view of an old f*rt :>)

    If I may begin with a necessary qualification,I would like to declare from the outset that I have been a media anorexic for decades, so my opinion may be extremely flawed on this matter. But to try to substantiate your already solid arguments with the comments of, shall we say for the sake of politeness at least, an elder statesman, it appears to me that the term “dignity” entered the RFC dictionary around the time of the constant exposure of their undignified behaviour and the numerous investigations into their financial ‘downfall’. I have the impression that the ploy used was to take the very accusation and make it into a positive description by constantly referring to oneself using the opposite term. So, the more the internet bampots, the only effective journalists on their case, addressed the lack of dignity in so many areas of their conduct, so they trumpeted the dignity card as a counter offensive, especially in the face of such unwarranted bias and questionable truths. Like any statement, if it is said and reported in the media often and for long enough it sticks no matter how false it maybe. Much of the public retorts, for example claiming that the blame actually lay with Neil Lennon himself for all his troubles, were so regularly wheeled out that many neutral observers started to believe that he was more perpetrator than victim. Hitler, in spite of the overwhelming, physical evidence of destruction all around Berlin and the very heart of Germany, continued, especially through the oratory of Joseph Goebbels, to preach to and convince most of the German population that victory was still in sight and that they should continue the fight for Der glorious Reich and the survival of Der Vaterland. Repetition is almost hypnotic in its effect – just ask anyone who did maths tables. It convinced me that two times two equalled four, at least till Chic Green came along. To sum up, I personally do not recall the term “dignity” ever being applied to or directed toward any element of RFC or TRFC until they came under fire from the bampots. I am inclined, therefore, to very much endorse your assertions, WL. and I most certainly approve of your witness.

    To accept that the term “dignity” is used by RFC or TRFC to describe its conduct by no means proves nor even implies that the term is appropriately or even rightly utilised by those organisations. Rather, the reality lies very much in the many examples of traditional behaviour quoted by W.L. than in the claims by supporters. The fact that statements were repeatedly made in the examples quoted of Lennon and Hitler, does not in itself substantiate the facts. In truth, quite often, the more a particular statement is emphasised, the more likely it is to be questionable. Anyone who follows politics and compares reality with the continual blasé statements of politicians will be well versed in this truth. Dignity may be on the tongue of RFC and TRFC supporters but it is far from being displayed in their behaviour. Just read their blogs.

    As I ponder what I am writing, another expression comes flashing into my brain that has been similarly adopted by TRFC masses from owners, management, supporters to the moronic sheep down. I say adopted but the truth is it has been abducted. The word I have in mind is “family”. Now, as I indicated way, way back at the beginning of this rant, I have little else left in my mouth but gums, an apology of hair on my head which is more brilliantly white than anything Crown or Deluxe have ever manufactured and I have such a flimsy memory that it could have disappeared without me noticing. But, I have to say that, in spite of having waved Moses goodbye over the Red Sea, I simply, for the life of me, can not remember any club other than Glasgow Celtic F.C. ever having used the term “family”, at least not until this year when, I suspect to gloss over and soften their image, it has been the rallying call of TRFC in fleeting moments of sanity when they have temporarily forgotten to be their normal vindictive and outlandish selves. I am flabbergasted every time I hear the word used by them. If they are a family, then they are the most dysfunctional on the planet. There has been more in-fighting before, after and during their corruption debacle than there has been in-breeding among royalty. If they were an army, the bulk of their casualties would be the result of supposedly “friendly fire”.

    So, to conclude, WL, I think your article sums up quite impeccably the “dignity” of that particular “family”. If football was an estate there would be a public outcry demanding
    the removal of the nasty neighbours. Unfortunately, they still reside nearby and continue to “infect” the whole neighbourhood with their duplicity, vitriol and hatred. Sadly, when the sewers are exposed, it can take a long time for the stench to disappear and it is difficult to prevent at least some of it clinging to oneself. A final thought. Is it not sad that the authorities look like they intend once again to do all in their power to keep such distasteful neighbours and disgusting smells in situ.

    H H

    1. Totally agree about the hi-jacking of the term family to describe their club, Celtic started using that around 4 years ago, as for the good ship dignity, where did it come from? They parade soldiers at ibrox like trophys and whilst they cheated the public purse and those same soldiers out of more than a few shillings that coup have provided much needed medical and armour supplies. No dignity there either.

  5. A Letter from Alfredo Gbwa to The Sevconians.
    The readons why Sevconians define themselves as Dignified can be summarised thus.
    1. They have a marble staircase. 2. One day Bain, Murray etc all started wearing the same ties. 3. That’s it. 4. I really tried to get 3.

    1. Lol indeed it may have happen just like that! That’s how I see it anyway one day someone decided that a blazer and brogues was the way to go and the fans somehow saw this as a sign of having dignity not realising dignity is more about how you ACT as opposed to how you DRESS!

  6. A Letter from Alfredo Gbwa to The Sevconians.
    The readons why Sevconians define themselves as Dignified can be summarised thus.
    1. They have a marble staircase. 2. One day Bain, Murray etc all started wearing the same ties. 3. That’s it. 4. I really tried to get 3.

    1. Lol indeed it may have happen just like that! That’s how I see it anyway one day someone decided that a blazer and brogues was the way to go and the fans somehow saw this as a sign of having dignity not realising dignity is more about how you ACT as opposed to how you DRESS!

  7. Another thing, when did the British Army become the preserve of an EX-SPL fitba team that f$%#ed Her Majesty to the tune of £100m. Pious leeches, blinded by bigotry. Anyway, can you imagine Sevco II dieing too…….

  8. Another thing, when did the British Army become the preserve of an EX-SPL fitba team that f$%#ed Her Majesty to the tune of £100m. Pious leeches, blinded by bigotry. Anyway, can you imagine Sevco II dieing too…….

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